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Of course the moment of uncomprehending silence you get when you merely say the worlds "ankylosing spondylitis" to the uninitiated is worth something.

For me the best thing though is the people and animals you can claim some kinda dubious link to. I can skip 5000 years of tedious genealogical research making the claim I share some kinda genetic marker with the pharoahs Ramses II & his son what's his head. Plus possibly the Pope. The Northwest Indians. And that dinosaur they found in southern Utah with fused vertebrae.

That is so sweet about youse guys with the massaging spouses! Keep on rubbin'! Unfortunately I had the opposite experience with my so-called wife. However, there is a certain sensation I get with a really good yoga twist that I think is enhanced by the low-level background pain.

Warmest regards,

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Well just to add minr to the list.

1. All of the above.

2 . Take a long journey in the car and get the wife / husband / partner to do the driving.

3. Massages from the loved ones.

4. All of the above.

Stay Well
Paul


"If life is a waste of time, and time is a waste of life,
then lets all get wasted and have the time of our lives."


Stay Well Paul NEVER, NEVER, NEVER drive faster than your guardian angel can fly.............
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12433512
Rothschild B, Helbling M 2nd, Miles C.
Spondyloarthropathy in the Jurassic.
Lancet. 2002 Nov 9;360(9344):1454. No abstract available.
PMID: 12433512 Spondyloarthropathy has been recorded from the Paleocene (60 million years ago), on the basis of sacroiliac joint fusion in Barylambda faberi. During a radiological survey for tumours in dinosaurs we found a much older specimen with erosive arthritis. These Camarasaurus vertebrae found west of Bone Cabin Quarry, Utah were dated at 147 million years old. Zygapophyseal erosions were bilaterally present in four of 20 consecutive caudal vertebrae that were otherwise macroscopically normal. Radiology showed no distortion of vertebral centra or trabecular architecture of the facets. Zygapophyseal joint erosions are caused by spondyloarthropathy or infectious arthritis. Involvement of multiple zyagapophyseal joints and the absence of trabecular pattern distortion rule out an infectious cause. This evidence of spondyloarthropathy identifies it as the oldest form of inflammatory arthritis.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=9779305
Rothschild BM, Sebes JI, Rothschild C.
Antiquity of arthritis: spondyloarthropathy identified in the Paleocene of North America. off.
Clin Exp Rheumatol. 1998 Sep-Oct;16(5):573-5.
PMID: 9779305
OBJECTIVE: Determination of the antiquity of spondyloarthropathy by examining the fossil record. METHODS: Fossil collections from the Paleocene and Eocene of North America were systematically examined to determine the occurrence and population frequency of spondyloarthropathy. RESULTS: Spondyloarthropathy was present in three mammalian orders dated at 30 to 50 million years. The frequency was 13% to 50% in the affected genera. CONCLUSIONS: Erosive arthritis of the spondyloarthropathy variety is now documented to have originated at least 40 million years ago in the Paleocene.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11791632
Rothschild BM, Prothero DR, Rothschild C.
Origins of spondyloarthropathy in Perissodactyla.
Clin Exp Rheumatol. 2001 Nov-Dec;19(6):628-32.
PMID: 11791632
OBJECTIVE: Spondyloarthropathy has clearly been documented as not limited in occurrence to humans. Transmammalian in nature, it is of interest to understand the antiquity, and perhaps the origins, of this disorder in animal groups sufficiently represented in the skeletal record. METHODS: Fossil and recent skeletons of perissodactylae* from North America were systematically examined to determine the occurrence and population frequency of spondyloarthropathy. RESULTS: Spondyloarthropathy was the most common form of arthritis recognized in the extant and fossil records. Common in extinct families such as Brontotheriidae and Chalicotheriidae, a progressive increase in the frequency of spondyloarthropathy was observed through geologic time in Equidae
and Rhinocerotidae. CONCLUSION: Erosive arthritis of the spondyloarthropathy variety is now documented as not only persisting in Perissodactyla, but as actually increasing significantly in frequency (3-6 fold). Given the unusual evolutionary penetrance of this "disease," the possibility must be considered that its persistence provides evidence for some unknown benefit to the affected host.

*For those (including me) who did not know what perissodactyla are: this order includes horses, zebras, rhinoceri, tapirs and a lot of related extinct forms as well


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=3103404&dopt=Abstract
Bjorkengren AG, Sartoris DJ, Shermis S, Resnick D.
Patterns of paravertebral ossification in the prehistoric saber-toothed cat.
AJR Am J Roentgenol. 1987 Apr;148(4):779-82.
PMID: 3103404
"The spinal alterations in.the saber-toothed cat, which previously were believed to be caused primarily by trauma, showed characteristics of three major pathologic processes: trauma, diffuse idiopathic skeletal hyperostosis, and inflammatory disease of a type similar to ankylosing spondylitis."


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=9809598
Rothschild BM, Rothschild C, Woods RJ.
Inflammatory arthritis in large cats: an expanded spectrum of spondyloarthropathy.
J Zoo Wildl Med. 1998 Sep;29(3):279-84.
PMID: 9809598
Spondyloarthropathy was documented for the first time in 14 (3.7%) of 386 large cats, affecting eight species belonging to three genera. The limited distribution of joint erosions, associated with spine and sacroiliac joint pathology, was indistinguishable from that occurring in humans with spondyloarthropathy of the reactive type. This form of inflammatory arthritis is almost twice as common as osteoarthritis (for felids as a whole), and animal well-being may be enhanced by its recognition and by initiation of specific treatment.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12790395
Rothschild BM, Rothschild C, Woods RJ.
Inflammatory arthritis in canids: spondyloarthropathy.
J Zoo Wildl Med. 2001 Mar;32(1):58-64.
PMID: 12790395
Spondyloarthropathy was observed in 25 (2.8%) of 895 preserved canid* museum specimens and was catalogued by species. The associated skeletal alterations in canids are indistinguishable grossly and physiologically from those in humans with spondyloarthropathy of the reactive type. Rate of affliction was independent of captive or wild-caught status or gender. In canids, spondyloarthropathy was much more common than osteoarthritis (0.3%), which predominantly is limited to captive animals. Animal well-being may be enhanced by recognition of the condition and initiation of specific treatment.

*canid= foxes, wolves, dogs, jackals, and coyotes

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=1604326
Rothschild BM, Woods RJ.
Spondyloarthropathy as an Old World phenomenon.
Semin Arthritis Rheum. 1992 Apr;21(5):306-16.
PMID: 1604326
The presence of spine and sacroiliac involvement and the nature and distribution of erosive lesions allowed definitive diagnosis of spondyloarthropathy in the great apes (Gorilla and Pan [chimpanzee]), the lesser ape (Hylobates), and Old World monkeys (Theropithecus, Papio, Cercopithecus, Macaca, Colobus, Presbytis, and Erythrocebus). Analysis of lesional character, distribution, radiological appearance, and sex ratios showed a picture indistinguishable from human spondyloarthropathy. …Limited individual susceptibility to spondyloarthropathy in humans (1% to 4%), Old World monkeys (2.4%), and lesser apes (2.4%) contrasts with the high frequency of disease in the great apes (20% to 28%). The wide geographic distribution of this phenomenon suggests an African and perhaps Asian "panendemic." This natural disease state provides a unique model for in-depth analysis of the contribution of genetic and environmental factors to disease pathophysiology.


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Great pick up lines (laughing)
Excuse Card for women with AS,girls you know what I'm saying

1.My neck is way to sore to do that tonight

2.My hips are aching

3.Doesn't matter the position I am just sore all over

4.Maybe if I bring out the heating pad,he'll get the hint

5.Massage me and maybe that might help...NOT...Still got the massage though

Anymore excuses ladies add on,had a good chuckle typing these ones

Take Care All have a great Day...Donna




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this is a bit rude but here goes,

'can you put me back in this position when you have finished'


Janet

ps. Its also an excuse to have a selection of belts on the headboard, I always say they are for pulling on when I need to turn over in the night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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LMAO,thats a good one Janet,I'll have to remember about the belts too..Donna


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Well, I'm not so sure that the woman has to have AS for some of these reasons.

Maybe not so funny, but my wife tripped outside and messed up her ankle and knee. We make a fine pair hobbling around. The neighbours probably are wondering what's going on here.

Murray in Sarnia


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Great post!

My top two good things are:
1. Do not have to cook the turky on thanksgiving.
[hands too trembly to carry or mess with a turkey] sigh...
2. Don't have to cook weekends. Ohhh my achey bones. Okay, okay so I'm not flaring right now..but don't tell the weekend chef. Good help is hard to find. And since he's my hubby services are free.


Buggy




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Hi Janet,

You are soooo funny

Sinta







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