Kickas.org Forums Ankylosing Spondylitis General Discussion #1 AS Web Support Group What is our Planet Coming To?

Many of the problems we see happening is because man keeps building cities where there is a history of floods,volcanoes or earthquakes. Look at New Orleans, The Indians told the white men not to build there because it is always flooding and the white men built the city below sea level and just asked for trouble. Why do people keep rebuilding in flood planes after their home was flooded out? Stupidity!

Climate change is a fact, always has been, global warming caused by mankind, I think the jury is still out on that. I don't think we have enough hard data to make a prediction, a hundred yrs. or so of record keeping is such a minuscule sample. A lot of the same people who are crying global warming, were crying global cooling and a coming ice-age 20 yrs. ago. I think from what hard science we do have from ice core samples, they have proven that a rise in co2 levels has always preceded a cooling trend in the past. Usually have to just follow the money, and you find that the ones set to make a bunch of it have a big influence on the science that supports their agenda.
J.R.

Not really.

When you build on such soft soil and prevent further deposits from flood waters you get a real problem called subsidence. People build where there is still opportunity even though a flood will come sooner or later. If we stop providing financial assistance to those who make such bad decisions to rebuild in the same spot, then we are to blame as much. If they go it alone, then it is their dime.

Well said. I totally agree about money aswell. Follow the money and you will find the asnwer

I suppose I should put 2 cents in since I did a university paper last year entitled "Climate change & natural hazards". There are a huge number of factors that influence climate such as different astronomical cycles affecting the earths orbit, tilt, and wobble, the position of continents on the earth, ocean currents, large mountain ranges influencing atmospheric circulation, gas concentrations in the atmosphere, volcanic eruptions etc etc etc. There seems to be a common perception that all of these factors are not being considered by climate change scientists and that they only focus on green house gasses and ignore the fact that large fluctuations in climate are the norm. All of these factors are taken into consideration by scientists such as those at the IPCC and mountains of data are analysed in order to try and work out the influence of all the different variables. When all of these factors were taken into account the IPCC concluded that "Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely (>90% probability) due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations...Discernible human influences now extend to other aspects of climate, including ocean warming, continental-average temperatures, temperature extremes and wind patterns." (IPCC, 2007)

For those interested in the topic I would recommend reading the 'Summary for policy makers' from 'The Physical Science' section of the 2007 IPCC report - http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/spm.html

IPCC = International Panel on Climate Change

No agenda there I suppose.

Also, it is a UN affiliated organization. Therefore, it carries no credibility in my view as there is also an agenda there.

my husband is an atmospheric scientist. when these conversations first got going, he (and other scientists) weren't sure if it was just a natural fluctuation like in the past history of the earth, or if it was due to human influences. rather than going into details that would just get long and laborious, i'll just concur with jroc that they now know that much of the increase in global average temperatures is due to human factors. IMHO that's good news, as that means we might have some control by changing our behaviors.

Yah, but first we have to get human beings to voluntarily give up what's convenient and familiar. Some human beings get it. The others are wilfully blind about it, or too set in their ways to change how they do things, or just plain obstinate.

Sadly, I fear our leaders will have to legislate change, which none of them has the balls to do.

Warm hugs,

agreed

but i have great faith in the children! sometimes i think we could learn a lot from them!

Jroc, probabilities are just about like statistics, each side can make their case sound pretty good to the average person. When it comes down to it what is the total concentration of Co2 in our atmosphere? Seems like I remember reading it is something like .01 of 1 percent,not sure, but it is a very small amount. The U.S. and some other countries have made great strides in the last 30 yrs., in cleaning up our air and water, but you never hear that touted. Whatever happens it need to be done with some common sense, you can't do it by crushing an already weak economy, there needs to be a lot of common sense used, something that seems to be extremely lacking in our leaders.
J.R.